Before you even knew what DevOps engineering was, maybe it was not even a concept back then when you started. So, you have a network engineering background, right? Where you were working in. So, tell me about your journey into IT, into network engineering. What were you doing in this role? You know, how many years of experience you had? >> I got my first job into IT when I was on my master's degree. At that time, I was working in London as a trainee network engineer. I was supporting all of Maybe not all of, but a lot of theaters in London, their Wi-Fi networks, the CUCM stuff related to voice, some servers as well. And it was fun. I spent there only 6 months because it was very small company. I was only network engineer there. To be honest, also No, sorry. There were two, myself and and my colleague and the CEO of the company. And I just felt that I didn't learn much after those 6 months. So, I applied to other big company called Cancom, which is like big ISP. And I applied for the service desk engineer role. For the first time when I spoken with the recruiter, he told me that, "Okay, this is called service desk engineer, but it will be like very network related." I was like, "Okay, I don't care about the title. I just want to learn. If it's called service desk engineer, I don't care." I started there. And to be honest, I gave a notice after 1 month. Yeah, it's very fast. After 1 month, basically, I haven't learned anything. I mean, maybe I did, but it was very company specific. That's the first point. And the second point, nothing was automated. The network was about purely like supporting network, but don't really do anything in those networks. It was only like adding firewalls. And everything was documented. I remember one ticket that took me like 2 days. It was very long one and very manual one. I was even surprised that in IT people still do those things and have those manual procedures for like 20 I think I recall it correctly. It was around I don't know 30 40 A4 pages and it was about every time when somebody joins the the company this ISP was supporting you had to add one user to all of the databases and everything was manual and you had the this this word document 20 30 40 pages and you had to go step by step and it wasn't challenging. It wasn't interesting. They didn't want to automate it at all. They were just okay. You can do it for 3 days. Just a matter of of doing it. You can spend on it those 3 days and I was like, okay, it's not what I was looking for. So yeah, I gave an notice.
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